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#51 vikingTON

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Posted 27 March 2016 - 02:28 AM

Many games you seen this season?


I've seen about ten games this season, both when in the country and some, not all of the TV matches. In none of those games have either of the above impressed (taking a 'nice touch' isn't actually the criteria of an effective central midfielder). That view is further borne out by our mediocre league record as a team and poor goals and assist records for the pair (McKee has improved in the former but doubtless Raith weren't s***ting themselves about the threat of goals from midfield today). Looking at their track record as well - Forbes flattered to deceive IMO last season; McKee has stunk the place out for years.

So yeah, only if you're wanting central midfielders who can't stop the opposition from playing, don't create enough chances and don't score enough goals, then re-sign either of those two to have us huffing and puffing towards the coveted forty point mark again in twelve months time.
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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


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Posted 27 March 2016 - 08:40 AM

There will be big changes next season regardless due to our loans leaving and both Peaso and Barr moving on.

 

As mentioned this season was about consolidation. Next season Duffy has to improve the team and for me that's the top 4 playoff's.

 

My contenders for Player of the Year would be Luca, Denny, Barr and Russell with big Luca being my choice.  When you look at it only Russell will be here next season (if no one puts a bid in for him)

So we will be losing most of our best players in the Summer. Big rebuilding job for Duffy but I look upon that in a positive way and I believe it's something we should be  doing.

This season we built a team for consolidation, next season we should be assembling a team for the promotion playoff's 


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Posted 27 March 2016 - 09:00 AM

There will be big changes next season regardless due to our loans leaving and both Peaso and Barr moving on.

 

As mentioned this season was about consolidation. Next season Duffy has to improve the team and for me that's the top 4 playoff's.

 

My contenders for Player of the Year would be Luca, Denny, Barr and Russell with big Luca being my choice.  When you look at it only Russell will be here next season (if no one puts a bid in for him)

So we will be losing most of our best players in the Summer. Big rebuilding job for Duffy but I look upon that in a positive way and I believe it's something we should be  doing.

This season we built a team for consolidation, next season we should be assembling a team for the promotion playoff's 

 

I think Russell is player of the year - he could be the new Jim holmes IMHO - but Denny despite going missing at times also looks like a contender for the number of goals he has scored.  Luca hasn't played enough games to be POTY, due to injury and international absences plus not being able to play against Therangers.  Barr is entertaining but he's not actually that effective in terms of end product - has set up a few like for Forbes against Hibs, but too often he goes down the wing and fails to get a decent cross in, or cuts inside and loses the ball.


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Posted 27 March 2016 - 09:10 AM

Russell is my player of the year as well, by some distance.
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Posted 27 March 2016 - 09:38 PM

Noticed that Dunfermline are hoping to get El Bakhtaoui signed up for next season as he is out of contract. Would love to see him at Cappielow next season, but it won't happen. We would just ruin his career anyway.


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Posted 27 March 2016 - 09:49 PM

El Bakhtaoui is a useless sand-dancer; when a proper club showed up in the division, he like the rest of his colleagues were shown up.

Ideally Dunfermline will hand deals out to all the dross that eventually got out of the worst third tier in history; that should guarantee us a healthy points haul from them again next season.

Edited by vikingTON, 27 March 2016 - 09:50 PM.

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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


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Posted 27 March 2016 - 10:53 PM

Ideally Dunfermline will hand deals out to all the dross that eventually got out of the worst third tier in history; that should guarantee us a healthy points haul from them again next season.

 

That's my thought as well. They will probably look at our season and think they'll be comfortable, conveniently forgetting just how woeful the 1st div is.


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Posted 28 March 2016 - 12:32 AM

Au contraire I wouldn't be suprised if they challenge again. They seem to be a club with upward momentum, a reinvigorated support and the all important feelgood factor. Basically everything we don't have.
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Posted 28 March 2016 - 01:27 AM

I'm not sure how spending three years slumming it in the second tier counts as 'upward momentum' - though they will undoubtedly roll out that stupid old fud Leishman to tell anyone who'll listen how important they are to the rest of Scottish football. As for their fanbase, it didn't do them any good last time in this league, nor last season when they finished 7th - 7th - in the third tier of Scottish football. If they use it to continue paying players who failed against any credible opposition then all the better for us.


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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


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Posted 28 March 2016 - 01:52 AM

Au contraire I wouldn't be suprised if they challenge again. They seem to be a club with upward momentum, a reinvigorated support and the all important feelgood factor. Basically everything we don't have.

 

I remember when we were like that LT. Look at what happened next  :ph34r: 


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Posted 28 March 2016 - 04:07 PM

I've seen about ten games this season, both when in the country and some, not all of the TV matches. In none of those games have either of the above impressed (taking a 'nice touch' isn't actually the criteria of an effective central midfielder). That view is further borne out by our mediocre league record as a team and poor goals and assist records for the pair (McKee has improved in the former but doubtless Raith weren't s***ting themselves about the threat of goals from midfield today). Looking at their track record as well - Forbes flattered to deceive IMO last season; McKee has stunk the place out for years.
So yeah, only if you're wanting central midfielders who can't stop the opposition from playing, don't create enough chances and don't score enough goals, then re-sign either of those two to have us huffing and puffing towards the coveted forty point mark again in twelve months time.


The lack of an experienced ball winner in the midfield has done McKee and Forbes no favours. This has been lacking since the time of Martin Hardie and hasn't been addressed. How has McKee 'stunk the place out' exactly?
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Posted 28 March 2016 - 05:27 PM

The lack of an experienced ball winner in the midfield has done McKee and Forbes no favours. This has been lacking since the time of Martin Hardie and hasn't been addressed. How has McKee 'stunk the place out' exactly?

Because he's been a waste of a jersey for nearly seasons and a handful of de met performances isn't going to change that.


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Posted 28 March 2016 - 05:40 PM

The lack of an experienced ball winner in the midfield has done McKee and Forbes no favours. This has been lacking since the time of Martin Hardie and hasn't been addressed. How has McKee 'stunk the place out' exactly?

 

Why would having a defensive midfielder stop Forbes playing as if he's towing a caravan behind him? How would it make McKee's 'displays' anything better than the mediocrity he's served up for years, with piss-poor returns on goals and assists?

 

Once we address the defensive side of the midfield, we'd have two key first-team players for the midfield positions for next seas - new guy and Tidser. Which means that there's room in the budget for two, three players at a push in the same position for competition for places as well as cover. So... we could either re-sign mediocrities who have played their part in a 40-point campaign - but no more than that - or we could release them and take a look at some of the dozens of credible free agents who will be realistically on the market for this club in the summer, as well as looking to secure another highly effective loan signing for the position instead. It's a tough choice really.


Edited by vikingTON, 28 March 2016 - 05:53 PM.

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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


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Posted 28 March 2016 - 05:43 PM

Because he's been a waste of a jersey for nearly seasons and a handful of de met performances isn't going to change that.


He's been consistently good since coming into the side this season. And has shown that he is maybe capable of kicking on further still. As with Tidser a few years back it's beyond me that people can watch him play and not see a good player there. But each to their own.
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Posted 28 March 2016 - 06:48 PM

He's been consistently good since coming into the side this season. And has shown that he is maybe capable of kicking on further still. As with Tidser a few years back it's beyond me that people can watch him play and not see a good player there. But each to their own.


It's because some people don't believe a young player can improve or possibly base their views on watching a handful of games a season.As you say everyone has their own opinion but I think most agree that a priority is to sort out the defensive side of midfield.
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Posted 29 March 2016 - 12:58 PM

He's been consistently good since coming into the side this season. And has shown that he is maybe capable of kicking on further still. As with Tidser a few years back it's beyond me that people can watch him play and not see a good player there. But each to their own.

 

I'll admit to saying McKee should have been punted long ago, but he has definitely been one of our better players in the last couple of months.  

 

On Tidser, I think Morton have had about 25 good games from him... the rest he has either been unfit or unimpressive.  Just have a felling that next season will be the same disaster for him as this one has been.  Unlucky for him, but I think he's done.


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 01:13 PM

I'll admit to saying McKee should have been punted long ago, but he has definitely been one of our better players in the last couple of months.  

 

On Tidser, I think Morton have had about 25 good games from him... the rest he has either been unfit or unimpressive.  Just have a felliHe is only 26, g that next season will be the same disaster for him as this one has been.  Unlucky for him, but I think he's done.

 

Just 25 games, really?

 

Tidser played well over 100 games for us in his first spell and was a class apart IMO, especially the 2012-13 season, scoring 11 goals.

 

As for being done, hes only 26. Get over his injuries and he will be fine.


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 01:45 PM

25 good games :lol:


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 02:01 PM

Top trolling by Zhivago again, what a laugh.
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Posted 29 March 2016 - 02:15 PM

Just 25 games, really?

 

Tidser played well over 100 games for us in his first spell and was a class apart IMO, especially the 2012-13 season, scoring 11 goals.

 

As for being done, hes only 26. Get over his injuries and he will be fine.

 

Actually, I'd be inclined to agree to an extent. He was excellent for most of the 2012-13 season, but prior to that that he was fairly unremarkable; certainly flashes of potential, but very far from earth-shattering performances for the most part, so the number of properly good 90 minute showings probably IS round about the 25 mark if we were being brutally honest about it.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think if we can get him fit and also the team playing to his strengths then he more than has the ability to be a big player for us again at this level, but I don't think it's particularly harsh to say he has a great deal to prove either. It's worth highlighting the influence Hardie had on the team in that season and on Tidser in particular, doing the dirty work to compliment Tidser's lack of mobility and pace, so there's a pretty reasonable question mark over whether he can deliver consistantly or whether he can only do so in a certain system and with the right players around him.


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 02:17 PM

Midfield of Tidser, Forbes, a grafter/tackler and 2 wingers who can actually retain the ball. McCluskey coming off the bench and for shadow chasing at Easter Road etc.
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Posted 29 March 2016 - 02:18 PM

To be fair to Dr Z, it took a lot of time and games for Tidser to win over a lot of the Morton support. 

 

Tidser has been unlucky with injury and I am not going to have a go at him because he tried to get back too early to help the team. He is a class apart from our current midfield and I for one desperately want to see him back anchoring our midfield. I can still remember fondly how he controlled games before DDFR sold him for less than he was offered!


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 02:25 PM

Seriously hope I'm wrong but I don't see Tidser even making pre-season. More than likely we will only get 2nd half of the season out of him. 


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 02:29 PM

Seriously hope I'm wrong but I don't see Tidser even making pre-season. More than likely we will only get 2nd half of the season out of him.


As with your prediction for Big Eck's coronation I hope you are wrong :1eye:.


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 03:23 PM

Actually, I'd be inclined to agree to an extent. He was excellent for most of the 2012-13 season, but prior to that that he was fairly unremarkable; certainly flashes of potential, but very far from earth-shattering performances for the most part, so the number of properly good 90 minute showings probably IS round about the 25 mark if we were being brutally honest about it.

Don't get me wrong, I think if we can get him fit and also the team playing to his strengths then he more than has the ability to be a big player for us again at this level, but I don't think it's particularly harsh to say he has a great deal to prove either. It's worth highlighting the influence Hardie had on the team in that season and on Tidser in particular, doing the dirty work to compliment Tidser's lack of mobility and pace, so there's a pretty reasonable question mark over whether he can deliver consistantly or whether he can only do so in a certain system and with the right players around him.


Martin Hardie wasn't exactly a grafter by the time he joined us, his mobility wasn't the greatest either. He was very useful because he knew how to score important goals and he knew how to make a nuisance of himself. But he wasn't the making of Tidser that season, as Tidser showed when he wasn't there. Even that season alone, Tidser had more than 25 good games. And while he had been inconsistent at times, he must have impressed in at least the same amount of matches over the previous couple of seasons.

Don't forget that Tidser also impressed enough in a spell at Ross County that their fans would've been happy to have him back. There's no doubting that he's a very good player at this level when fit.
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