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#1 HamCam

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 10:40 PM

I know for some the national team only produces a shrug of the shoulders but I still have faith the current crop of lads will get us through the qualifying stages of a tournament in the not too distant future. It would of course help if we had a competent manager and while I appreciate the job will not necessarily attract the 'best' some of the names now in the frame are scary. Seriously who would get excited with McLeish or Mackay or Caldwell? If Clarke was interested he could be worth the risk or even Smith, on the basis it would wind up Rangers fans. Whoever it is I hope they focus on the future. For now we remain watching in as others play on the world stage.


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#2 Toulouse Le Plot

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 11:52 PM

One name that I saw today was ****ing disturbing to say the least: Yogi Hughes.

If we are going to go for a leftfield appointment then I would rather it was someone like Tony Pulis, Neil Warnock or Mark Hughes, someone with good experience in the EPL; or someone who would be ideal and available - Claudio Ranieri.

**** all the usual 'Jobs for the boys' cliques who have got us nowhere over the past 20 years.
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#3 M4RKO

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Posted 08 February 2018 - 12:22 AM

Ranieri was an utter disaster for Greece. The only credible and affordable name on the list is Steve Clarke.
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 12:55 AM

Clarke has benefitted from commanding respect from his players and former players and being able to make good transfers based on that. With international football that's not an option. But in a way he's a victim of his own success if I'm judging him this way because he's done great in other respect as well. So I shouldn't complain. My only real concern with him is that if he does well, he leaves for a job in England midway through a campaign.

Agree that Ranieri would be an absolutely huge gamble. I don't want to take away too much from one of the greatest managerial feats of all time but it's still 100% accurate to say his managerial record is extremely mixed.
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 12:10 PM

I know for some the national team only produces a shrug of the shoulders but I still have faith the current crop of lads will get us through the qualifying stages of a tournament in the not too distant future. 

 

That's not exactly an achievement, given that absolute dung like Hungary have already managed to qualify for the ridiculously expanded European Championships, and more dross will now get in through the back-door known as the gubbins 'Nations League'. Scotland have about a one in two chance of making the European Championship, regardless of who they appoint as manager. 

 

They have a 0% chance of qualifying and doing anything of note in a World Cup though. 


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Posted 08 February 2018 - 12:36 PM

Clarke has benefitted from commanding respect from his players and former players and being able to make good transfers based on that. With international football that's not an option. But in a way he's a victim of his own success if I'm judging him this way because he's done great in other respect as well. So I shouldn't complain. My only real concern with him is that if he does well, he leaves for a job in England midway through a campaign.
Agree that Ranieri would be an absolutely huge gamble. I don't want to take away too much from one of the greatest managerial feats of all time but it's still 100% accurate to say his managerial record is extremely mixed.


No it’s not, he signed most of the players that laid the foundation for Chelsea’s strongest team and he has a great eye for finding and deloping talent. He does fall down in that he overthinks the tactical side of things, hence his nickname “ The Tinkerman” ( howls of outrage from St Toby at the mere mention of that word) but under him I think Scotland would have some chance of having a cohesive and competent team from the moderate talent at its disposal.
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 02:17 PM

Clarke has benefitted from commanding respect from his players and former players and being able to make good transfers based on that. With international football that's not an option. But in a way he's a victim of his own success if I'm judging him this way because he's done great in other respect as well. So I shouldn't complain. My only real concern with him is that if he does well, he leaves for a job in England midway through a campaign.

Agree that Ranieri would be an absolutely huge gamble. I don't want to take away too much from one of the greatest managerial feats of all time but it's still 100% accurate to say his managerial record is extremely mixed.

 

Clarke's obviously done a good job at Killie and has a good CV as a coach but would anyone really have wanted him before he took the job he's in now? That's not taking away from the job he's doing - it's just not a lot to go off.


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Posted 08 February 2018 - 02:24 PM

Clarke's obviously done a good job at Killie and has a good CV as a coach but would anyone really have wanted him before he took the job he's in now? That's not taking away from the job he's doing - it's just not a lot to go off.

 

It's a fair point, before the Kilmarnock job I would have said he was a reasonable but hardly exciting candidate.


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Posted 08 February 2018 - 02:35 PM

It's a fair point, before the Kilmarnock job I would have said he was a reasonable but hardly exciting candidate.

 

The problem is there are no obvious exciting candidates. The reality is most 'top' managers prefer the day to day life of a club manager with the money that goes with that role. The national team may be high profile but hardly a glamorous post with the likelihood most will see it as a stepping stone to another job. In the circumstances, maybe Clarke is as good as it gets. Mentioning Hughes for the role suggests a degree of desperation.


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#10 Toulouse Le Plot

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Posted 08 February 2018 - 08:01 PM

The problem is there are no obvious exciting candidates. The reality is most 'top' managers prefer the day to day life of a club manager with the money that goes with that role. The national team may be high profile but hardly a glamorous post with the likelihood most will see it as a stepping stone to another job. In the circumstances, maybe Clarke is as good as it gets. Mentioning Hughes for the role suggests a degree of desperation.


Steve Clarke has a good coaching pedigree having worked alongside Ruud Guillit, Gianluca Vialli, Jose Mourinho, Avram Grant, Gianfranco Zola, Kenny Dalglish and (albeit briefly) Brendan Rodgers; as well as managing West Bromwich in the EPL and Reading in the Championship; and has turned around the fortunes of Kilmarnock in Scotland. He is highly thought of throughout the game, and he seems like a level headed kind of guy who the players would respect as he's been to the top in Europe as a player with Chelsea (ECWC Winner 1998) and as a coach (ECC finalist 2008)

I reckon that Clarke really wants the Scotland job, and the reason for him coming up here to Killie is to put himself in the shop window for it.
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 08:30 PM

Clarke is a far more credible choice than the has beens and the bottom of the barrel scrappings that the SFA normally court.


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 09:45 AM

I see Smith is the latest candidate to rule himself out. Thankfully, Hughes has offered to do the job for nothing - how magnanimous of him!


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 10:51 AM

He'd cost a fortune in translators.


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 12:27 PM

Marcelo Bielsa, that is all.
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Posted 09 February 2018 - 12:37 PM

Marcelo Bielsa, that is all.

Guy in my work has been championing this from the very beginning of the process. 


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 07:28 PM

Alex McLeish will be announced tomorrow.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 07:45 PM

He looked a right state on the TV a few months ago, hope he's alright. Then again, the SFA may be incompetent but surely not so much that they'd appoint a guy who's unwell.

 

Massively uninspiring appointment, the absolute best you can say is that he's a safe pair of hands. If he can repeat his relative success from his last spell in charge that will be acceptable but we really need to start qualifying for tournaments, not having near-misses.


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#18 Toulouse Le Plot

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 07:46 PM

#giemcleishajoab worked then.
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#19 Toulouse Le Plot

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 07:59 PM

He looked a right state on the TV a few months ago, hope he's alright. Then again, the SFA may be incompetent but surely not so much that they'd appoint a guy who's unwell.
 
Massively uninspiring appointment, the absolute best you can say is that he's a safe pair of hands. If he can repeat his relative success from his last spell in charge that will be acceptable but we really need to start qualifying for tournaments, not having near-misses.


He's been in the media a fair bit lately, mostly his mates touting him for 'a joab' whether it's the Rangers job, Scotland and even the Leeds one. I think he's grown a bit fond of the old Ernie juice in recent times.

The bit in bold - he's yesterday's man. If he was still a viable option then he would have got a big payday at one of the big Championship clubs who have been looking for a gaffer in recent times. I might be proven wrong, he may be another Jim Duffy, but I think it's going to be more of the same.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 08:26 PM

He's been in the media a fair bit lately, mostly his mates touting him for 'a joab' whether it's the Rangers job, Scotland and even the Leeds one. I think he's grown a bit fond of the old Ernie juice in recent times.

The bit in bold - he's yesterday's man. If he was still a viable option then he would have got a big payday at one of the big Championship clubs who have been looking for a gaffer in recent times. I might be proven wrong, he may be another Jim Duffy, but I think it's going to be more of the same.


Ernie juice? I’ll just have half a bottle of Blue Nun please.
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#21 HamCam

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 08:57 PM

What a tragic appointment - if the rumours are true. Apart from an inability to string words into sentences, McLeish has little knowledge of the current Scottish game. Despite the lack of options, sad the best the SFA can come up with is a has-been who whored himself for the 'big hoose' job only to be over-looked for a nobody.


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#22 Toulouse Le Plot

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:01 PM

Cringe:

http://www.telegraph...otball-manager/

#giemcleishajoab
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:04 PM

I've more faith in McLeish doing a job than I would've had in O'Neill tbh.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:11 PM

I've more faith in McLeish doing a job than I would've had in O'Neill tbh.


I don't think that Michael O'Neill was the right answer either. Stevie Clark with Jim Duffy as number 2 would have been the dream team.
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#25 TaunTon

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:18 PM

Deeply disappointing but entirely in keeping with the SFA's grip on reality.


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