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#26 cmdc

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:41 AM

Quick note - it's far from unilateral. Kick It Out is funded in the main by the FA. They are as close to an official body as there is, other than the FA itself, on this subject.


Yep - and black players have been vocal about their inaction around certain issues (was it the Terry incident that led to black players boycotting campaigns in the past?).
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:54 AM

Yep - and black players have been vocal about their inaction around certain issues (was it the Terry incident that led to black players boycotting campaigns in the past?).

 

I don't recall, but the Terry thing was dealt with remarkably quickly and he was almost immediately rehabilitated by the establishment. Try to imagine if he wasn't an England international. Or if he was, say, South American or Japanese or something. His feet wouldn't have touched the floor before he was exiled.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:00 AM



Yes but this is a racist stereotype with a pretty grim history. 

Of course it has, and overtly racist stereotyping should of course be seen for what it is and be roundly condemned, and I think by and large it is by the vast majority of educated and reasonable people.

 

But there's also a huge grey area where there is no consensus even among the alleged 'victims' if certain stereotypes are racist and/or offensive. And it's this area where I think it's best left to those individuals to make the call rather than make a blanket assertion that all stereotyping is by definition offensive and racist.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:55 AM



Yep - and black players have been vocal about their inaction around certain issues (was it the Terry incident that led to black players boycotting campaigns in the past?).

 

The Terry incident led to Rio Ferdinand (who had a very tenuous link to the incident) boycotting wearing a tee shirt in his warm up for the next anti racism fortnight, after IIRC assuring Alex Ferguson that he would, because, well, he's Rio Ferdinand, and attracting attention to himself is what Rio Ferdinand does.

 

He could've put his tuppence worth in at the time and used his profile to work towards a positive conclusion, but, being Rio Ferdinand, he decided to make it all about Rio Ferdinand.

 

Rio Ferdinand's a dick.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:42 AM

I see he's trying to get into professional boxing. 

 

Is it just me, or does anyone else find this a complete and utter stain on the sport of boxing. Totally degrading as well, given that it seems that folk are turning their hands at boxing as some sort of easy sport. 

 

Not to mention that he hasn't long lost his wife - one wrong punch and his kids are fatherless as well. 


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 11:12 AM

I see he's trying to get into professional boxing. 

 

Is it just me, or does anyone else find this a complete and utter stain on the sport of boxing. Totally degrading as well, given that it seems that folk are turning their hands at boxing as some sort of easy sport. 

 

Not to mention that he hasn't long lost his wife - one wrong punch and his kids are fatherless as well. 

 

Boxings reputation has been in tatters for as long as anyone can remember. Adding another tabloid fodder wannabe to the pantomime won't make much difference.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 12:01 PM

Boxing is very much in the s***ter at the minute.
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 12:05 PM

Boxing is very much in the s***ter at the minute.

 

Even more so now 


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 12:59 PM

Boxing has never been better imo. Each to their own.
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 01:04 PM

The genuinely good reason is that football fans were singing and spreading a song (in the sense that clips of it had been widely shared) based on a racist stereotype that black athletes in the past have been quick to condemn (see the Christie example above). It’s not just an example of classing ‘everything’ as racist: it’s calling out/informing people about the negative connotations of the song/stereotype.

 

But not in the actual circumstances being discussed, right now. Kick It Out having a hysterical, shrieking reaction about it then simply costs them respect among the vast majority of the population who a) believe that context matters and B) aren't professional victim-mongers.

 

It's a disastrous intervention on their part because their officials are starved of attention.


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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 02:52 PM

But not in the actual circumstances being discussed, right now. Kick It Out having a hysterical, shrieking reaction about it then simply costs them respect among the vast majority of the population who a) believe that context matters and B) aren't professional victim-mongers.

 

It's a disastrous intervention on their part because their officials are starved of attention.

The thing that worries me is, by 'crying wolf' on non-issues like this they lose respect, credibility and influence, which will then dilute their effectiveness when they try to intervene in cases of genuine racism. This 'machine gun' approach does them and the anti-racism cause no good at all.


Edited by Cet Homme Charmant, 21 September 2017 - 03:08 PM.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 04:35 PM

The thing that worries me is, by 'crying wolf' on non-issues like this they lose respect, credibility and influence, which will then dilute their effectiveness when they try to intervene in cases of genuine racism. This 'machine gun' approach does them and the anti-racism cause no good at all.


That turns on this being a non-issue, which is highly questionable.
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 04:58 PM

That turns on this being a non-issue, which is highly questionable.

Who decides then if it's an issue? IMO it only becomes an issue if Lukaku himself comes out and says he's offended by it, and to my knowledge he hasn't yet. Until then, it's a complete non-issue for me at least.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 05:47 PM

Is it just me that thinks of Linford Christie as a drug cheat and not someone with an excessive lunch box? Is it ok if I comment that Christie comes across as a bellend?
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 05:53 PM

I was genuinely gutted when he made two false starts in Atlanta in 96, back before I started taking pleasure from 'Team GB's failures.


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Now before Gavin goes, I'd like to ask him one more question.


Do you like Abba?


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:56 PM

Lukaku’s reaction:

"Fans have meant well with their songs but let's move on together" and “#respecteachother”
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