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#26 cotter

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Posted 11 October 2017 - 04:49 PM

Took in today's game at Airdrie. A very good performance in a 5-1 win. A few good performances against a strong Airdrie side and again we used a couple of u17 players.
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Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:24 PM

Lost 1-0 at home to Stranraer this evening. Sack the board etc.
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Posted 18 October 2017 - 05:43 AM

Was one of those games last night. We had so much of the ball but couldn't score. I was impressed with 15 year old Ben Docherty at centre back. Despite giving away the penalty he had a good game and defended well.
McGowan had a couple of good saves and commanded well. Ben Armour was always busy and set up a few chances but we were lacking a bit up front.
Was good to see Lewis Strapp get a run out as well.
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Posted 18 October 2017 - 10:10 AM

Our squad was very young last night.

 

McGowan had a good game.

 

I think David Barron was playing for them at Centre Half.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 11:43 AM

Yeah it was Barron. And our ex centre half John Mitchell as well
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Posted 18 October 2017 - 12:02 PM

Has Barron been out of the game for a few years? I remember he was at Stranraer but he played at the Junior for a while also. Was a good player when he was with St Mirren. Unfortunate with the injuries.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 02:44 PM

Looks like claims that the corrupt!1!1! Scottish football setup is stopping our brave boys from playing at their rightful level are somewhat off the mark in this abject campaign. 

 

I wonder how Barr's performance will  actually be measured at the club, as opposed to the word of mouth bulls*** that once gave us 'Jim McInally - promising football coach'. 


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 03:26 PM

Surely Barr's performance will be measured in the development or otherwise of the members of the squad? While I like to hear if our 'boys' squad are winning, I am more interested to see if any graduate into the first team.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 03:35 PM

The level our boys play at is of a poor standard and it is unfortunate that having finished at the top end of the table for two or three years, under Hopkin and Millen, there has been no progression allowed for the boys where they could play against more challenging opposition.

 

Players like Jon Scullion were scoring for fun but found themselves at Beith and Thomas Orr regularly scored and he is at Queen's park.

 

The set up the SFA have introduced is awful and going to get worse with this Project Brave garbage.

 

Why can't be have a reserve league and under 18's, 16's, 14's etc


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 03:49 PM

Surely Barr's performance will be measured in the development or otherwise of the members of the squad? While I like to hear if our 'boys' squad are winning, I am more interested to see if any graduate into the first team.

 

You say that as if winning games of football and development are mutually exclusive things. Ross County, Motherwell etc. are currently integrating youth players into their teams with a degree of success: a decision that could be justified by the fact that they already had both experience of playing and winning at a high level of the youth ranks. Competition is how you determine the quality of players at your disposal. 

 

You have also forgotten that the main justification for a youth setup was not 'players graduating into the first team squad' - after all, Morton have a pick of dozens of those weeded out from much better youth setups with which to fill their first team squad on an annual basis. The main justification for youth development was 'Morton will magically unearth a James Macarthy type and sell him on for millions'. Call me sceptical, but while the current crop are losing against part-time jobbers or making a washed up James McFadden look like Pele for the only time in his failed cameo this season, I suspect that the transfer offers will be exclusively of the 'Troon Juniors' type, rather than English Premiership sides. 


Edited by vikingTON, 18 October 2017 - 03:50 PM.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 03:56 PM

The level our boys play at is of a poor standard and it is unfortunate that having finished at the top end of the table for two or three years, under Hopkin and Millen, there has been no progression allowed for the boys where they could play against more challenging opposition.

 

Players like Jon Scullion were scoring for fun but found themselves at Beith and Thomas Orr regularly scored and he is at Queen's park.

 

The set up the SFA have introduced is awful and going to get worse with this Project Brave garbage.

 

That being the case (pending how Project Brave is implemented), it is only rational and correct then for Morton to bin their youth development setup and focus on the first team instead. There's no point wasting time and resources when you're only going to be sitting at the beggars' table.


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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 04:08 PM

Yeah, Orr scored loads, now he's scored, what, once for QP? Admittedly they're struggling but he's now had his chance to step up and play first team football.
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#38 cotter

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 05:58 PM

I love how it's an abject campaign because we've had 2 defeats. This coming from people I very much doubt have watched any of our 20s games or know what the club has below this level in the academy.
Very short sighted view that we should bin youth development as well.
It is well known that I watch a lot of 20s football and we do have some decent players. We played last night with a 15 year old at centre back and regularly feature kids at 16 or 17 years old.
McGowan was our oldest player last night at 20. Of all the teams I've seen we are one of the few that rarely play 1st team players. Only once I can remember this season usdoing that
The whole set up should change so that boys can play proper reserve team football and develop properly.
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Posted 18 October 2017 - 06:26 PM

I love how it's an abject campaign because we've had 2 defeats.

 

Two defeats in just eight games, the bulk of which were played against the absolute dregs of Scottish football:

 

https://spfl.co.uk/d...nt-league/west/

 

So yes - an abject record indeed. If the first team were floundering in such a manner then the manager would be getting mercilessly hounded for it. That is how football works. 

 

This coming from people I very much doubt have watched any of our 20s games or know what the club has below this level in the academy.

 

 

I don't watch any Strathspey Thistle games in the Highland League, but based on their results and the level that they're playing at I can state with 100% confidence that they're a rancid football team. I'm sure that your gold star for turning up to watch a nothing level of the game is in the post though. 

 

We played last night with a 15 year old at centre back and regularly feature kids at 16 or 17 years old. McGowan was our oldest player last night at 20. Of all the teams I've seen we are one of the few that rarely play 1st team players. Only once I can remember this season usdoing that

 

 

Which is both i) a piss-poor excuse for failure against utter dross like East Kilbride and ii) directly contradicts Hawke's vision for the squad when parading Barr in the summer:

 

Darren is registering as a player to give us the option for him to actually play alongside the young boys in the development squad.

“The fact that he is 32 years of age, an experienced player who’s been around the Scotland national squad, means he has a lot to offer, there’s no doubt about that.

“I’d expect him to play in some of the 20s games, because I remember from my time at Sunderland when I played up front in the reserves with the likes of Peter Davenport and Eric Gates.

“They were both ex-England internationals, and I learned more in one game playing alongside those experienced players than I did in 10 games with a guy the same age as me.

“So I think it’s very important that we harness what we can have with Darren in terms of that additional element of being out there on the park."

 

 
So either the club can't get players to offer valuable, senior experience to their development squad, or can't get its story straight on how best to bring them through games. 
 

 

 

Very short sighted view that we should bin youth development as well.

The whole set up should change so that boys can play proper reserve team football and develop properly.

 

There is no indication whatsoever that the whole set up is going to change in the way that you propose: in fact, the current Project Brave proposals would drastically reduce the level of elite academies and raise the benchmark far above what GMFC could possibly sustain. Which will leave Morton youth squads playing and quite often losing to utterly shan setups, all of which are totally cut off from the limited pool of quality and resources within the Scottish youth game. The correct response is therefore to abandon a strategy that can at best deliver third-rate returns and devote that time, resources and expertise to a project with a better chance of success. Such as developing a competent scouting system to replace the ringer trialist approach that we regularly take each July. 

 

It makes no logical sense to persist with a scheme that literally dozens of other Scottish football clubs have already established and are doing better than GMFC, and expecting it to do anything to improve the standing of this once-proud football club. It is a pointless distraction. 


Edited by vikingTON, 18 October 2017 - 06:30 PM.

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So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 06:40 PM

Taken over last 3 seasons it is 5 league defeats. I don't think even you with your miserable outlook would hound a manager for that.
In saying that you were probably foaming at the mouth at an away win and a shutout on saturday
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Posted 18 October 2017 - 06:53 PM

Barr has only been in charge since July, so it is in fact two defeats in eight, in a league packed with the bottom-feeders of the game. Can't say I'll be taking too much advice on 'frothing at the mouth', from the chump who has been falsely peddling a Troon Juniors goalkeeper as the next Donnarumma for us. 

 

Gutted for you. 


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So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


#42 cotter

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:39 PM

I'll have to look back and see where I ever compared him like that pal. I'm so glad I don't live in your everything is s***e world.
And I'm not talking about Darren Barr I was talking about our development squad players.
And for someone who thinks development football is s***e. You spend a lot of time on this page.
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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:41 PM

And Duffy has lost 3 in 9. You wanting him pumped as well?
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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:44 PM

Sooner we have the reserve leagues back the better
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TIME FOR CHANGE!


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 11:54 PM

I reckon if VT wasn't writing in his own unmistakable style people would be agreeing with him more than they are. We're operating in an extremely speculative arena. There isn't a single professional youth system in Europe that can provide all, or even most, of the first team players to its squad year on year and remain competitive. There are some in Eastern Europe (most notably in the Balkans) that come close to doing so, but the further up the leagues you go the harder it gets.

 

By way of example, Chelsea have one of the biggest and most expensive youth farms in the world and they have yet to bring through a SINGLE first team regular. (There is still a chance for guys like Tomori and Abraham but it's far from a foregone conclusion.) You might say they're an extreme example as they can buy anyone they want, and in any case they can make a profit off a lot of these guys as mid-table clubs will pay good money for them, but the rule of thumb is that you're going to, as a normal, professional club, mostly bring through players who can't make it at your own club. This isn't a criticism but a simple fact of life - if it wasn't, there wouldn't be much of a transfer market.

 

Meanwhile at our level, unlike Chelsea we can't sell our youth products to teams lower down the totem pole, for the simple reason that no team smaller than us can really pay transfer fees, at least not fees that matter. We can only really sell upwards to recoup investment - as Hamilton and Falkirk have done. That, apparently, is the model we're trying to emulate, so that we can be sustainable (read: so that the Raes can get "their" two mil back.) But here's my question, and it's not rhetorical (I'm too lazy to check it) - the guys who were sold for the big bucks and with the sell-on fees from these clubs, how much reserve/development (delete as applicable, since development is only four seasons old as of this season) football did these guys actually play? I know McCarthy at Hamilton was in the first team when he was still doing his Standard Grades. What about the others from that club, what about the Falkirk ones? I'm completely unconvinced that any player who will command a massive fee in the future is going to play more than one, two at the absolute most, seasons of development league football in Scotland, since below the Premiership there are tons of young players in and around first teams. I'm not saying that playing against East Kilbride Development is the same as playing against Motherwell Development, but I'm saying that if you're an absolute stand-out and clearly too good against one of them, you're going to get your first team chance sooner rather than later. As it stands the clubs that would benefit the most from our playing at a higher level in the development league are the ones one or two levels below us, who will benefit from our many, many cast-offs.

 

I'm deliberately excluding the odd last-minute-sub or end-of-season appearance here and instead going off the season where they became regulars in the first team squad. Here are the ages our "own" (I know O'Ware in particular wasn't a Morton youth product) players were when they started playing in earnest for Morton:
 
Tam O'Ware: First team squad member as of November 2011 at the age of 18
Mark Russell: Started properly getting games in March 2014 as he was just turning 18
 
And those we harvested from other clubs who are still 23 or under (I figure this is a good cut-off point since it dovetails with the new youth setup):
 
Andy Murdoch: Started properly getting games for Rangers in February 2014, having just turned 19 (went on loan to Cowden after, rather than dropping back to youth football)
Connor McManus: Started getting games for Alloa at the start of the 2015-16 season at the age of 19
 
See the pattern? If they're good enough, they're old enough. They're getting into the senior teams as teenagers. And in the case of McManus, who captained Celtic youth and played in Europe for the Celtic development team, the benefit Celtic got from this high-level youth exposure was... virtually nothing, because he left for Morton on a free transfer. The benefit is all ours.
 
It really looks like edge-case players like Tiffoney, who have stop-start appearances before dropping back down, would be the ones to most benefit... and frankly I don't think it would make a mammoth amount of difference in their cases. If Tiffoney was going to break through like Quitongo it probably would have happened by now. There is still every chance he will go on and have a good career, but I don't think he'd be the next Jai if only he was lining up against St. Mirren Development of a Tuesday.
 
I'm about to go and eat my dinner so I realize I'm ending the post on a negative note but none of this is me saying "let's immediately bin every youth player" but rather it's to say that we should probably stop complaining about having to play in a development league that we don't exactly stroll through (one title in three attempts - and yes, I'm aware we're playing 15 year olds in defense, but the point still remains) when the benefits of moving up a tier are hardly so cast-iron that we're immediately going to have a job lot of Pavones to line up with the squad's seasoned pros.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 11:01 AM

Would agree with the above.

 

I am not knocking the boys we have but the standard of our Development league is very poor and my gripe is about not being allowed the opportunity to be promoted, have out squad play the teams in the top division, let them grow and develop more and maybe see us attract better quality development players who can make the step up.

 

We have not really seen anyone come through the development set up bar Mark Russell? Quitongo spent a season but he had already been at Aberdeen and Hamilton, who compete I nthe other league, and thus had a better development than most our lads.

 

Lewis Strapp looks a player as does McGowan but like I have said, hard to judge in the development league due to the poor quality as, Jon Scullion and Orr looked like Cole and Yorke in that league.


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:06 PM

I'll have to look back and see where I ever compared him like that pal. I'm so glad I don't live in your everything is s***e world.


^^^ verge of tears

Everything isn't s***e: a development squad that currently isn't even in the top 20 of its kind in Scotland is categorically s***e though. Unlike yourself, I don't need to delude myself into thinking otherwise in order to justify a sad devotion to a pointless waste of time.

Sad!
 

And I'm not talking about Darren Barr I was talking about our development squad players.


Barr (and presumably other senior players) were supposed to be playing for the development squad to lend their experience. That was the plan as outlined by Morton's chief executive when hiring Barr for that squad just four months ago. So your 'but... but... other teams are playing overage players while we had a 15 year old chimney sweep at centre back!' is not a valid excuse on two separate grounds. That is how the league is designed to operate and GMFC themselves wanted to make use of that practice. 
 

And for someone who thinks development football is s***e. You spend a lot of time on this page.


No, spending a lot of time would involve traipsing around to watch an utterly shan level of the game, in the hope that you'll become a voice of authority on here by touting hotshots who end up inevitably washing up in the Junior ranks instead.

You're just another Salty: just let that sink in.  
 

And Duffy has lost 3 in 9. You wanting him pumped as well?

 
Absolutely, with undefeated league champion Brian Wake ending that reign of mediocrity. Glad that we finally established some standards for performance at this once-proud football club.


Edited by vikingTON, 19 October 2017 - 02:08 PM.

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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:08 PM

I see cornbeef and Eric have been frantically dishing out the red dots. Only to have them nullified by the clique. Pleasing.
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#49 cornbeef

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:31 PM

:lol: :D :lol:

I see cornbeef and Eric have been frantically dishing out the red dots. Only to have them nullified by the clique. Pleasing.

 

Frantically  :lol: , hardly. You and your wee group and the puppet accounts issuing them in their THOUSANDS... now that's frantic. There must be more to your life LT

 

 

As they say - sad !
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Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:35 PM

:lol: :D :lol:

 

Frantically  :lol: , hardly. You and your wee group and the puppet accounts issuing them in their THOUSANDS... now that's frantic. There must be more to your life LT

 

 

As they say - sad !
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Not frantic you say, and yet you clearly banged your face against the keyboard there.

 

Sad! 


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The site is supposed to be a place for the extended 'family' of Morton supporters - having an affinity with people that you don't know, because you share a love of your local football club. It's not supposed to be about point scoring and showing how 'clever' or 'funny' you are, or just being downright rude and offensive to people you don't know, because you can get away with it. Unfortunately, it seems the classic case of people who have little standing/presence in real life, use this forum as a way of making themselves feel as if they are something. It's sad, and I've said that before..

So, having been on Morton forums for about 15 years I guess, I've had enough... well done t*ssers, another Morton supporter driven away. You can all feel happy at how 'clever' you are



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